Cologne/Perfume Options

[ali]

(salam)

I understand (correct me if i'm wrong) that one cannot use cologne/perfume whose ingredient is alcohol as it would invalidate the prayers. If thats true, how do I figure out? Many of the bottles don't say :(

Wassalaam,

Ali

[ali]

Thank you :)

[gogiison2]

salaamunulaykum wrwb

Of course ethanol evaporates even quicker than water but I wouldn't recommend putting it on your skin since the chemicals are said to leach into your skin, maybe on your clothes and then wait a while before you offer prayer in them is probably the safest advice I can give. You can read more blow and see why I came up with this. Please note that the thread below is from about a year ago.
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?sh...932403&st=0

[pink]

Following is the information that I have regarding alcohol in terms of Taharah and Najasah.

Islamic Laws (http://www.al-islam.org/laws)
Chapter on Najis Things
Section on Alcoholic Liquor
113. All kinds of industrial alcohol used for painting doors, windows, tables, chairs etc. are Pak.

A Code of Practice for Muslims in the West (http://www.najaf.org/english/book/5)
Chapter on Taharat and Najasat
General Rules section
39. All kinds of alcohol (whether extracted from wood or other sources) is pure, not najis. So, the medicines, the perfumes, and the food containing alcohol are pure and can be used. It is also permissible to eat such food if the amount of alcohol is very minute.

المسائل المنتخبة
الطهارة
النجاسات واحكامها
مسألة 153
لا فرق في نجاسة الكافر والكلب والخنزير بين الحي والميت ، ولا بين ما تحله الحياة من اجزائه وغيره. (9) الخمر: والمراد به المسكر المتخذ من العصير العنبي ، وأما غيره من المسكر والكحول المائع بالاصالة ـ ومنه الاسبرتو بجميع انواعه ـ فمحكوم بالطهارة وان كان رعاية الاحتياط أولى.
(p 93)

[Help: I have no idea what this one says.]

الفقه للمغتربين
الطهارة والنجاسة
طهارة الكحول والعطور والأدوية المشتملة عليه
م ـ 39: الكحول بجميع أنواعه، سواء المتخذ من الأخشاب أم من غيرها، طاهر غير نجس، فالأدوية والعطور والمأكولات المحتوية على الكحول طاهرة، وتستطيع استعمالها، ويجوز تناولها أيضاً إذا كانت نسبة الكحول ضئيلة جداً كـ 2%.

[I do know what this one says.]

Personal Email
From: "Imam Ali Foundation" <post@najaf.org>
Subject: RE: alcohol and taharah
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:29:13 GMT

Salamun alaikum
The alcohol mentioned in the Code of Practice is industrial alcohol used in perfumes and medicines.

Therefore we conclude that 'industrial alcohol is pure.' Brewed alcohol that causes drunkenness like wine etc. is Najis and Haraam to consume.

The food mentioned also refers to minute amounts of industrial alcohol (this wording 'minute amount' has been removed in later editions of the Code of Practice because it may be misinterpreted).

Regarding the medicine, in this case the person will be harming himself by overdosing on this medicine so he will be doing 'Haram act' because self harm is not allowed.

Hope this helps.
Wassalamu alaikum

This post has been edited by pink: Oct 13 2008, 01:36 AM

[pink]

assalamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah
Could one of our Arabic speakers help me to understand what the third item from my previous post means? It is the first item in Arabic.

[pink]

assalamu `alaykum
barakallahu bikum akh

[gogiison2]

Salaamunulaykum wr wb.

It surprises me that with all the fluent english speakers the shia have, there are still so many typos in the books of fatwas. We are supposed to be more careful, especially if it goes out to the masses. Does anyone even check the books before published? This can absolutely ruin an untrained layman.

[ihtida]

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I practice tab'eed in taqleed. Apparently not many others do but their numbers are growing. That is basically doing taqleed of several Marja's and following the easiest rulings among them. One can do that if one does not believe any to be the most knowledgeable. I do taqleed of Sistani in most things then Saanei, Fadlullah and Jannaati in other rulings if they have easier solutions.

See http://www.aimislam.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7964 for more info.

Fadlullah says alcohol is haraam to consume but it is not najis. He also says along with Saanei and Jannaati and Nasir Makarim that the infidel is not najis either.

Lol, I asked them, "Can there be any possible exception for the dog? Dogs are like family members in many non-Muslim homes and they actually live in their houses. This makes it very difficult to live in a non-Muslim house if a member of the family becomes Muslim."

I didn't get an exception for dogs from any Marja' yet. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

I'd appreciate it if anyone knows of any Marja' that considers dogs as pure.

However Saanei did say respond to me that it is not your duty to tell the new Muslim that dogs are impure if you know that would make their life difficult.

Below is that email.

بسمه تعالي

ج - سگ نجس است هر چند منافعي هم دارد و انسانها در طول تاريخ از آن بهره برده اند ولي بهرحال اعلام نمودن به او بر شما شرعا واجب نمي باشد.

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In The Name of Allah (SWT)

Thanks for your e-mail. Regarding your question:

The dog is impure although it has benefits and the men have taken advantages from the dog during the history; but it is not Islamically and religiously obligatory (Wajib) for you to say about it.

Best regards,

[font="Tahoma"]The Office of Grand Ayatullah Saanei






salaam 'alaykum,

A Christian friend of mine who lives with his Christian parents converted to
Islam.

She is just learning how to pray and the rules of taharat etc.

They live with dogs in the house. There is dog hair in every place in the
house.

Are dogs really najis? Is there very strong evidence for that because dogs
are praised in the Qur'an and

also used for hunting. How could the whole dog be impure? It is very
impracticle for American converts to

Islam because dogs are a very integrated part of most American lives. Dogs
live in their houses.


Lastly is it wajib for me to tell her that dogs are najis? Do sunnis
consider dogs najis too?
If I tell her it is going to make her life very hard because she doesn't
have money to move out of her
parents home. Life is hard already for her as a Muslim living among
non-Muslims. If I tell her dogs are najis
it will be almost impossible for her to pray in that house.

thanks,


Did any members on this forum email Saanei answer@saanei.net on the issue of Muslim women marrying Christian men? We already know that he says a Muslim woman remaining married to a Christian man is valid if she converted to Islam and he didn't. I don't know any living Marja' who says what he says about it so far. I asked him about Muslim women marrying Christian men from the onset and he said, "Tell the woman to email him the question herself."

I would really like to know if he says it is fine. Could one of you converts do me a favor and ask him the question and post the response here please?

[pink]

Salaamunulaykum wr wb.

It surprises me that with all the fluent english speakers the shia have, there are still so many typos in the books of fatwas. We are supposed to be more careful, especially if it goes out to the masses. Does anyone even check the books before published? This can absolutely ruin an untrained layman.

salam
The translation that brother Ahmed provided was, to the best of my knowledge, his own translation. He did not copy it from any book. His translation is enough inshallah to help me to understand the fatwa for which I asked a translation. I do not necesarily need Harvard-level service here, just a basic idea.

[ahmed]

Salam Alaikom ^^^


Yes you are right sister ,its my own translation that I have tried to keep it litrary to the best of my knowldge and Iam glad you have understood the whole them.


We humble ,simple people not trying to be conspicuous and expose our muscles or attract people by some vivid words,make it simple because not all poeple are shakespare or Einshtein!

At the end of the day Iam not native English nor trying to teach somebody`s grandma how to suck egg ,but I can make myself clear which is better than being indecipherable (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by ahmed: Oct 31 2008, 10:12 AM

[gogiison2]

salam
The translation that brother Ahmed provided was, to the best of my knowledge, his own translation. He did not copy it from any book. His translation is enough inshallah to help me to understand the fatwa for which I asked a translation. I do not necesarily need Harvard-level service here, just a basic idea.

Wa wr wb.

Check the rulings on your post #6 again.

This post has been edited by gogiison2: Nov 1 2008, 06:16 PM

[pink]

assalamu `alaykum
What I was really hoping to say here was that I did not see anything blatantly incorrect in the translations; and that I hope that you offer your services to our `ulama as a translator rather than openly criticise them.


This post has been edited by pink: Nov 1 2008, 11:18 PM

[gogiison2]

assalamu `alaykum
What I was really hoping to say here was that I did not see anything blatantly incorrect in the translations; and that I hope that you offer your services to our `ulama as a translator rather than openly criticise them.

Wa wr wb.

I'm not good with arabic-english translations. I wouldn't like to offer any translating services especially if it seems contradictory to islam, I rather not the ummah be confused and making wrong decisions. Islam is not a game, so we must be serious about these fatwas. Look at post #6 where it says in english...where it's explaining how all alcohol is pure then in the email on the bottom of that post it says brewed alcohol is najis.

This post has been edited by gogiison2: Nov 2 2008, 06:32 AM

[ahmed]

^^^If you don`t offer anything then better not to criticise others for offering their help.Nobody says Islam is a game and if everybody avoid offering help because they are SO PIOUS like you to be scared get into sinful ,then islam wouldnt reached west nor non-arab speakers (like yourself)would have understood islam.


We have a proverb in arabic says(If you are not a rose ,don`t be thorne!)

Learn Arabic then criticise others for their langauge .

This post has been edited by ahmed: Nov 2 2008, 08:29 AM

[pink]

assalamu `alaykum
The one English word "alcohol" refers to both the stuff in the wine bottle and the stuff in the pharmacy used for sanitising wounds. I do not think that the solution lies in using some contorted superflous translation, but in accompanying each English word with a parenthesised Arabic word and explaining each in a glossary of Arabic terms in the back of the book.

Obviously, this would mean that we will need more volunteers to work on translating, indexing, and appendicising our English-language texts.

In American culture, the first to complain is an automatic volunteer.

[gogiison2]

^^^If you don`t offer anything then better not to criticise others for offering their help.Nobody says Islam is a game and if everybody avoid offering help because they are SO PIOUS like you to be scared get into sinful ,then islam wouldnt reached west nor non-arab speakers (like yourself)would have understood islam.


We have a proverb in arabic says(If you are not a rose ,don`t be thorne!)

Learn Arabic then criticise others for their langauge .

If you think I didn't offer anything. I would suggest you read more of my posts and study more about alcohol. I didn't avoid offering help. Everyone isn't alike, not everyone is against researching and studying to pursue this world all the while depending on a priest. Many go against the grain when other religions have changed with these same concepts. It's just not everyone has the intelligence to realise that. Some people want to depend on a priest 100%...ok if one has zero knowledge I guess I would rather them go to a priest than rather just guess their religion, but I don't see where people who use their intelligence would rely on a fallible 100% without question just to suit his/her needs. I am far from perfect, but I don't use that as an excuse, Alhumdolillah and inshaAllah I never will. We cannot suppress the ummah's intelligence by whatever system whether caliphate, or other fallibles.

Edit: Also, brother I'm criticizing others only for the reason that we have to be careful about even english translations since a lot of muslim are in the west so we need to have the knowledge before the non muslims will laugh at our intelligence.

This post has been edited by gogiison2: Nov 2 2008, 12:48 PM

[gogiison2]

assalamu `alaykum
The one English word "alcohol" refers to both the stuff in the wine bottle and the stuff in the pharmacy used for sanitising wounds. I do not think that the solution lies in using some contorted superflous translation, but in accompanying each English word with a parenthesised Arabic word and explaining each in a glossary of Arabic terms in the back of the book.

Obviously, this would mean that we will need more volunteers to work on translating, indexing, and appendicising our English-language texts.

In American culture, the first to complain is an automatic volunteer.

Salaamunulaykum wr wb.

Yes, there are many types of alcohols. If I disagree, I volunteer my answers to the forum, because I don't think it's easy to make amendments to the fatwa books by a person like myself. In this system it's tough to get to the big man even when in truth. InshaAllah our Imam will come soon so that we can have the truth again.

[ahmed]

salam alaikom

Ok son ,no problem I got your point

Thank you for clarification.